#64 New Apple Product! Ox Alpha Revealed, Relume Publish, OpenAI Chip

And we are live. We're live. Welcome, boys and girls. Hello there. Hello there. I've updated the website to say hello there when uh when you land on it. Or at least it rotates around phrases that we uh have been known to say mostly for because you always say the most hilarious things like run the server. But when you go to command, maybe I can even show it real quick because I need to start a screen share. Anyway, I did I did make some uh stuff for our swag and I think they were really good. I know you you've got some you know we should we should do this community and and I said you can take the reigns on that but you you can take the reigns because I've already got enough on my plate regarding this show anyway.

Okay, I will do that. Uh let me grab my headphones. So, the voice is community is the way, boy. Community is the way. Everyone get on Kabaza's ass about starting a Discord community for us. This is our website. Hopefully, every time we refresh. Hello there. Every time, well, not every time we refresh, but it will it will try and uh it will just randomize basically. There is one more. There we go. Run the server. There it is. But if you have any more phrases that you hear us say, then totally let us know and we should have it on. Yeah, soon I will I will tell you about that. Let me connect for some reason.

Hello there, Tobias. I'm saying hi to people joining on uh on our Instagram. We're back in the house. Helloame coffee. So you you should be hyped up on coffee, too. Uh coffee. I have some coffee. I was say you should be hyped up on coffee soon then because I'm pretty hyped. So um you drink a lot of coffee. Um I have one in the morning and I tend to try and not to in the afternoon. Um this is a rare occasion where I have one in the afternoon because I'm not a psycho. Do you also just like me add creatine to your coffee? No, because I'm not trying to get swole. No, I I just put a scoop of creatine in my coffee.

Um, no matter how many cups of coffee I I have, I just add some creatine. For what reason? It's good for your brain. It's good for like building muscles. Are you sure? Yeah. Yes. There has been ext in you. Let's be clear in you. You've you've not you've not improved. I'm still on V1. You still haven't seen it. Still says run the server. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Maybe I need to restart to update. Yeah. Oh, god damn it. I can't connect this. Okay, turn off. I got all my fans going. So, let me just shut these off a little bit. So, as I say, I can't show you. Maybe I can show you. Maybe I can choose choose a new camera.

Okay, now I'm focused. Now I'm finally focused. Okay. Edit mic settings. Can only edit mic settings. So I can't change. Contrary to popular belief, I'm going to I'm going to attempt something unbelievable. Actually, uh, let me share my screen. Share screen. Share. There we go. This is what I was going to show you. So that that's my this is my setup right now, boys and girls. Right. Oh, that's cool. This computer has been running local AI trying to edit our videos for over 24 hours. That's insane. Over 24 hours. I don't know if it's caught in like a loop. Is it taking like screenshots and is it like trying to is it like can you see the the No, I don't know whether I don't know where it is actually, but it's editing a video.

It's Quen 3.827B. That's crazy. Yeah. I know I'm repeating myself, but that computer is running an AI model locally trying to edit a video. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, confirmed uh video editors out of job. You're going to buy MacBooks instead. Stay Stay tun This is really hard to stay tuned for my video basically. Oh my god, this is insane. We need We need the other camera. Anyway, that's my This is my current setup. That's what I wanted to show you as my current. Yeah, that that's cool. So, and you I see N8. I saw N. Yeah, that's my that's my local instance of NAN that I've got. I've got a remote instance and a local instance.

So, this does my more things it needs to interact. So, I've got a clawed br. So, actually I think I went through it last week. I've got a clawed bridge so that it's got I'm just running a node server. This is the deterministic flow and then it calls a claude bridge that runs claude-p on my machine. So if I need to use chord, that's the way I'll do it rather than do API usage, you know, which by the way, real quick, I'm slowly getting to the bottom of why Grockbot is so um people are hyped about it. Yeah, I've seen good videos about it. It's on it's on the it's on the cloud automatically. Like everything you run is on the cloud.

So you could just set something off or set something to recur and it would just run no matter whether your computer is on or off. Technically you can do this with all of the other things like again if you have an A or whatever but really it comes down to how easy is this to do for normies. So it's a lot of normies who are getting well not not just normies but the normies are getting excited about it because it's just something you can just have working for you. I've got all these set up anyway using chord and this and that. Aside from that, Grock is just becoming a good model. So, not only you getting all that good stuff, they're also seeing an improvement of Grock just in general.

So, that's that's all I would say, but I can't be bothered to I can't be bothered to make a video on it or do any real experimentation, unfortunately. Yeah, for for now, I I think I'm going to give it a try as well. I've heard good things about it. for example, that it's uh you don't chat with it as much. You just tell it to do something and it does it and you don't like go through all the hoops of Mhm. I'm thinking about this and you see like it's it just does it for you. It's more of a worker. Yeah. Yeah. So, contrary to popular belief, I can actually do npm rundev. And I want to show you something.

Um, this is what I showed last week. I've been working on and it's it's coming together flower. Yeah, it's coming together really beautifully, I would say. So, if you notice like on the load, I know there I see the issues. I'll take care of this. But my focus has been on this and I'm creating like this sort of like transa transition between the flower and the show reel which will be a video and yeah I think that is working well. Uh do you notice something funky about the the nav about the links? It's I'll be honest it's hard to see. Yeah. Um, I mean the fact that they're already always there is interesting and it's like the the the composition of them is interesting.

Do you see? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Something red flickering. Yeah. So, I'm I added this. That's cool. Like uh transition animation and I and I fell in love with it. It's so I I I don't know. I find it so fresh and so I don't know. How do you describe that? How do you describe that? Well, it is scrambled uh text. So I if I tell you I have spent probably 40 hours on this in my past life, not past life, before AI and also while AI was not so good. I sp I have a lot of experience like in playing with this and describing it in different ways. So, uh, I made these, um, where can I find my component?

Uh, that's what she said. No, it's not here. Uh, I man, I don't want to open this in stacky because I was going to ask, what are you building it in? So I use stacky because I forget for example where is something right and it's beautiful to navigate through for example my components. I try to use the visual editor and it's been a bit buggy. So I I don't know it it it hasn't worked well for me but editing my content visually has been nice. I've been doing this actually been and the copyrightiting here is not complete but uh I've been working on it so like as an actual human pressing the keyboards and typing words and not just telling uh AI to change the copy.

Anyway, so I have this page example components. Um, and here I'm doing experimentations. And now you are going to see how I'm thinking about design experimentations and explorations. So these are com It's very laggy probably because stacky is eating my Yeah, it's it is very laggy. I did see some comment about that. Yeah, the Stacky is an Electron app and uh you can tell that Timothy, we love you, but I I mean you're not saying that you are um an expert in creating Mac apps. This is it would be probably same or worse if I would make it. But yeah, it's really bad uh for performance. But it doesn't matter. We are just viewing this stuff.

So this is how I'm doing um multiple like versions of something and for the buttons because you asked I made many versions some versions are uh explicitly described to the AI by your truly. So I so I just stand here and I'm like talking for five minutes like telling it how I want it to be. And then there are some that I'm telling you the AI, you know what, take my design tokens and do something fun with them. And it creates mostly not very good stuff. It's like these are AI taking the lead and these are humans taking the lead. Okay. So, they're hard to see, but yeah. What do you see? Just take my words for it.

Yeah. What's your verdict? Um the the the the one that AI does sometimes something good comes out some for example the flicker was uh coming it came from AI that like random flick the the effect did come from me the scramble but the fact that it just flickers on its own without me hovering uh or interacting with it that came from AI and I kept it. I was like, "Ah, that that's cool. I'm going to keep it." Maybe I won't have it everywhere, but yeah. Um, so when you describe something like this, in some cases, you want to make sure it uses, for example, monospace fonts or when it swaps the letters, it it it needs to make sure that they don't push around other elements.

So for example, for something like this, these are things just as an example that I tell the AI to to pay attention to. Anyway, so this has been the site that I building so you get to see it live and it's not just that sick. Yeah. Um I'm trying with a few like this is not what I want it to be but yeah working on some uh here like some webgl sliders. That's nice. That's nice. Like if you look at the image. Yeah it's you see it. It's not too much but it has a depth to it and you notice there is something about it. So uh we have this footer and even the effects they work here.

And yeah, so for example, for an animation like this footer, I'm being very explicit about, okay, I want the what do I want to stagger when? And for example, with a footer like this, it's in reverse order. So it's the things at the bottom first and yeah, whatever. Um because you asked what are you up to and this is what I was up to and now I don't know how to stop the server. How do I stop the server? Ah I know I know I know I know I know. Uh control C. Well I was going to say I've recorded yesterday an hourong tutorial an hourong master class on using the terminal for people like yourself.

So hopefully and I can tell you control C is on there. That'll be a very good one to learn because that's often an emergency stop shortcut that you need. So, I've recorded it. I've roughly edited it and then I need to do a fine tune. It might it might get pushed back because it's not one of those videos that's pertinent. You know, it's not going to be needed to go out. So, it might get pushed back till a week after next, but we'll see how it goes. So, stay tuned for that. My question was going to be, believe it or not, right, this podcast started out you and me getting together and just talking about business, right?

Do you remember this? Yeah. Yeah. So, true. And this is no reflection on your website whatsoever, but it might be useful for the people at home. Um, who who are you targeting? Who is your market that you're targeting with your I know with your agency? I know the website is quite um artsy. I'm I'm not I'm this is no reflection on the website and I know it's finished just because I've been I've been thinking about this too. This is nothing to do with your website. It's just the fact that you showed us your website. Uh so uh the copy for the hero section at least is pretty much final I would say. So we are trying to sell scalable websites.

So when we say scalable, this is like it's very easy to uh use an AI to to build your landing page, but once you want to actually have a business and you know scale and all the content and SEO and so on, you need to have people who know what they are uh you know talk talking about. So who we are selling to is mostly businesses and startups. That's been always our clients. Um and in addition to them it's kind of like a bit different but we also work with a lot of agencies and that's why also the website is very artistic in many ways but also it has like elements of a businessy website.

So we are adding those as well. So we are adding a mega nav or like drop down with uh industries that we work with like from B2B to startups etc. uh also the solutions that we have and so on. So we are thinking about that as well and we're trying to market to people who want a scalable uh proper website. And if you were to open up LinkedIn or you were to run a Google ads campaign, what are some hashtags or what what are some targets? What are some key indicators that So ideally Yeah, ideally uh startups that have already went through some um that they have already raised money. Uh, maybe series A, maybe series B.

Series A. Well, I suppose you got seed funding, but technically series B would be I don't know how it works, by the way. I don't I don't know. It depends, but like I think seed is friends and family. I think seed is friends and family and then series A is actual investor funding. Yeah. So like actual it doesn't matter what they call it, you know. Um what matters is that they should have some money to invest in their website. So we are not trying to target uh people with ideas but without money. I don't want to say this in a negative way but yeah like we all come across people like this. But then we have businesses that would be actually amazing like businesses who are already profitable.

They have I would say 20 plus or 50 plus employees. Um, and they want a good marketing website either for their products or for their service. Yeah. A good marketing website, something scalable, something that they can rely on, something that they can use for Google ads, something that they can use um for SEO, so they build their own pages. Uh, their either internal marketing team does it or we do it for them. But nonetheless, it's, you know, based on the premise that you can expand on the website in a reliable way. Mhm. Mhm. Taking it from something they might have thrown together in the early stages of their business and take it into something that people start to expect more and the website needs to start working for them as opposed to just being a shot window.

And yeah, would you go would you go any deeper? Would you start would you entertain the idea of being very specific to say like I don't know uh who was your last client that you can talk about as an example? The last one that I can talk about is not very like a common one, but I would talk about I I can talk about one of my clients that I've shown many times. Okay. Who's your ideal client? Yeah. Yeah. Go on. Yeah. Let's go. Like I I've project often. Yeah. I've shown this project many times. Um they sell sand and Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. Perfect. You wouldn't dream of going any more niche and saying for construction materials as an example.

You wouldn't. Not necessarily. But but this is where it comes like yeah we are planning a huge SEO campaign because like I I'm I'm thinking about like making content for all of these verticals. Mhm. Uh when it when I say making content, I mean like uh SEO pages. So we will target this specific industry like like not as specific as um construction but even more specific than construction and all this like subsets of it and then use maybe this project as like a case study as well and just try to hit those keywords. So, I do want to go very niche, but all the niches kind of not all of them, the the ones that we think would fit us.

Yeah. Um, yeah. So, that's how I would do it. Not from the landing page. The landing page is a kind of like a statement. Yeah. thing that we are talking and there's something to be said and I'll wait for someone I'll wait I'll wait for someone to actually do it really really cool and really well is to have basically an infinitely dynamic website which just tailors the content based on which industry vertical lands on them through which means like an organic dynamically changing website that would be mental um but like how do you define what what industry is landing on your site through ads. It would be through an advert. Ah, so if someone just lands on it, they get the base advert.

But if they come through a specific ad that targets construction, they get a construction there. There was a really famous website. I unfortunately don't remember their uh fluky and I don't know there they had a funky name. It was a it was an app similar to notion in a way a notion air table like all of these apps. It it was an all-in-one app and they had a button on their website. You would press it and it would reload the homepage and every time show you a different version of the homepage. And they had I guess I think they had four versions or maybe six. And uh in each version they were trying to talk to a specific person.

So for example, imagine like notion is an app for so many people, right? Notion is extremely versatile. They were way more versatile like you could do some sort of I guess like vibe coding or like mini app creation inside of their app. Anyway, so they had this uh idea to talk to different clients and different copywriting, different uh images. So the website in structure was always the same, but the copy was extremely different and they had uh like a joker car. They had one that they were trashing themsel. Uh they was like saying uh never tested on a on a mobile phone ever. and they were like writing like a short paragraph about how they have always tested it on desktop and they have never gotten a chance to test it on mobile at all.

And then they had they were talking about how how it's trying to be every app but all the other apps are better than them and it was really good engaging copy. And I'm saying this and I'm getting really sad about that. I there there are so much copy on the on the web that I don't want to read anymore. I know it sounds very geeky but I have enjoyed reading copy on the web. Uh do you know do you know the company Apple? You know Apple. Uh but do you know uh what Dbrand? Oh, of course I know Dbrand. Yes. Yes. Yes. The generates. Oh yeah. They they they really I don't know how to take it.

I I find it a little bit tiring, you know. A little bit tiring. I don't I I don't know. Like on their comments on Instagram, they would like they would swear at your mom like they would make fun of your mom. Like they are very unhinged. But uh yeah, anyway, they have they have extremely good copywriting or they they used to have I don't know if they still have it, but oh man, it it's very it it might not be like uh everybody's taste, but they had the skin ones that like real leather one. Let me Google it. a D brand leather skin. So made with real dead cows. This is it's a bit so it's it might not be everybody's um taste but like they their copywriters are very I don't know I would say creative 100.

Yeah. Bold. Yeah. Bold is good. 100% uh authentic cows died for this. Uh no textured uh stamping, no chemical treatment. This is the real deal. Um bonfire cow dye um 100% yeah authentic full grain vegetable tanned leather available. Yeah, whatever. So they had I remember they had even better copy. Uh, and I used to come here and just check out their new products and and read it. And another company that's been really good. We will talk about them. Apple. Apple has been always amazing with copy. How did we get here? I think we were talking about how uh copy is being like a lot of people are writing similar like copy that looks good in the first glance but it's it's just not you read a little bit and you notice it's trash it's empty it's AI it's yeah buzzwords uh there is one thing to use buzz buzzwords there is another thing to actually be creative and I I think like um Apple more often than not they are they are creative with it the thinnest iPhone ever with the power of pro inside I don't know like that in so many places there yeah well I mean saying all that like you know going going back to your website I mean my my only worry or my only feedback is that like so I'm we all struggle with this.

I think everyone struggles with the niching. We know it's, you know, the riches are in the niches they call it in America, but like yeah, it's it's a difficult one because I I I've started to see a big um it's been a big help by uh niching. So I I'm niching in building uh software and automations for block management, right? You don't need to know what that is. But what it's done is I've been lining up meeting after meeting with people over the last few weeks in block management some you know on the on the on the outskirts and whatever. But it means that I can say at the end of that meeting who who should I speak to who do you recommend speaking to?

And I can only I can only tell you from a vibe standpoint is it feels like I'm digging. I'm getting deeper. I'm getting deeper in in the the trenches of of block management and knowing who's who and I'm able to like say, "Oh, do you know this person? Do you know that person? Talk about the intricacies of their business, which um is really it's really rewarding for me to feel like I'm getting somewhere. I'm seeing sort of progress." Whereas I know you speak to a lot of people and and I wonder if like if you were to ask for like references or whatever that they will refer you on to let's take construction as an example.

They'll refer you on to another construction agency, but then you it sort of feels like you're sidest stepping and then you might go a little bit deeper, but then you're sidest stepping at the cost of, you know, you'll get your destination, but you'll do it because you'll be sent slightly different places. And um there is also a fun into taking new ones, right? There is. But what I think and to you know to explain a little bit about the the movements we've made recently on the editing of this show is we've opted to edit where we think the hard hitters are. This is a command. This is called command AI. We're supposed to talk about AI but web flow seems to be the thing that's really getting us lots of views, lots of interest.

I'm gonna play that card, you know, because it means we get closer to the people who will tune in to us and then start to enjoy us, whatever we talk about hopefully, and we can all create a community around everything web related really. Um, so it's almost like the suggestion is like potentially focusing on one thing to help you get to a point where you can afford to be more broad and creative because you've established yourself because at the end of the day, you need cash. Do you know what I mean? So, I don't know. I I it would be my um suggestion or thought experiment to think about how you might if you were to focus on a niche, what that might look like and give giving yourself a bit of time because again I know you like to speak to people just digging into that niche and seeing how that feels, how far you get.

And um the last thing I'll say is nothing to do with any sort of advice or suggestions. Obviously I I record all of my meetings and I get Claude to like slate me after each of the meetings and one of those things one of them was um someone asked me like oh do you build other apps? And I was like to be honest yeah we build other apps or whatever and Claude called me up on that. It's like someone asked you and you fell at the first hurdle and all this. If someone asked you just say your um you focus your your entire focus is on block management and that's what you're you love doing and just play the game.

you know, it's trying to get me to really I'm I think I'm too uh buddy buddy with people like it it it slated me today for suggestion for just for suggesting the client go and find a free solution before building the software. Now, I don't know whether I feel 100% okay about that because end of the day, if I'm helpful, I feel like that has a longevity to it than just being like, "Yeah, we'll build your tool even though you don't need it." But it's an interesting experiment just to really see get a third perspective on the call on where I up. So there there was that. That's a good one actually. Uh you are using Whisper Flow as well, right?

Um yes, but this has this that had no uh I mean I know they've got the notetaker if that's where you're going with it. Yeah. Yeah. just like what what I started. I I think I should have started this earlier. For some reason, I haven't. But yeah, I think that that's a good call. I'm going to uh give Claude more of my meetings and also get that perspective in as well because I use Claude. I don't if I'm ever I'm talking about anything personal with Claude, I open an incognito browser. Not for any privacy reasons. I don't, you know, mind talking to about that. It's purely that I want its memory to be solely focused on my business.

And I've had long journaling conversations with Claude about my goals, what I want to achieve, um, and whatever just to kind of set the context. It even knows my financial goals and it brings that context into these conversations. So, it knows the the package that I'm trying to offer these people. It knows that I'm trying to target block management. It knows that I'm trying to build apps and whatever. So, it can tell me when I undermine myself or I or I go, you know, I don't Yeah. What happens quite a lot and I don't know why I do this, but they'll say something and I won't dig into it. They'll they'll present an opportunity and I just move past it for some reason.

And it's said that to me a couple of times. So, I need to work on that. Truthfully, I need to work on that. But, um, I'm too I'm too quick to build rapport and build a relationship. But you've got to earn money. You've got to play the game and you've got to like you've just got to do what you need to do. Um yeah. A and if that means being a bit sly, let's get say sly. What is sly? Sly. Sneaky. Um. Ah. Okay. Slightly dishonest. And I'm not telling anyone to be dishonest, but just if it means that you have to just play a little bit of the game to eventually get to where you want to be, you know, then that's all part of it.

It's not in my nature to do so. Don't get me wrong. I've just I've just been very transparent about the fact that I'm too honest on my calls, but I do that's what I'm getting from Claude being my my third my devil on my shoulder. But that was a lot of information. point is I I would I would challenge you to be maybe a little bit more specific on who you're targeting, even if it means just biting your tongue for a year or two to get to a good spot of consistent work in one industry to then start branching out. That's a good that's a good point. Um maybe I should yeah think about a lot that a lot to just go with the already clients that they have and built on top of those relations uh relationships and yeah yes someone asked me how did I land on block management because it's quite a unique thing and I'm like well to be honest I just looked back at all of my friends the people I've worked with and whatever and I I just it I I just flicked a coin at the end of the day and thought let's let's go with that let's go with that and I do And you do start to become a bit nerdy about it.

I remember working for a men's men's clothing store and I used to buy all the clothes cuz we would get it cheap. I look back at those clothes now and think, was I like brainwashed? Like I was genuinely interested it because I worked for that clothing store. But it's the same with us. We get nerdy about stuff. Oh, construction off sand. Yeah. And you you sand you get more interested. And this is like for the audience one takeaway. Get good at something and then you will see that you will be interested in it because at the start you are trash at anything you try and it's so easy to not like it because you are bad at it.

Uh but once you get good at it, this is where you start to as you said like you become nerdy about it. You become interested in it because you are good at it. You see people talking about so many random boring stuff like boring to us but maybe they are good at it and they they are into it. Anyway, so speaking of like getting good at something, I want to talk to you about a new phrase that I I want to make a few short videos about it. Okay, you're ready for it? Okay, it's not balls to the wall, is it? No whole video series of balls to the wall. Yeah, that that should be that should be in our um a bottle of water and balls to the wall should be in there.

Yeah, that that should be there. And the phrase is meat proxy. Oh, I've heard this. Yeah, it so meat information without reading it or understand. It's just the AI told me. Exactly. So they they you ask them a question they rely relay the question that you ask to the AI they get an answer from the AI they give it back to you they don't read your question or understand that they don't do it with the AI either they are in this case being a meat proxy they are just a medium uh a vehicle to transmit that information between an AI agent and whatever else it's the modern day. Let me Google that for you. Yes, that's what it is.

And and you know, you got to love the internet. You know why? Because somebody made a website and it's even an NPX package that you can add as well. So don't be a latency generator. This is just so good. I love it. I love it. So don't be a meat proxy. Um, and a meat proxy, who's a meat proxy between, you know, an AI agent on somebody and the middle meat that doesn't understand anything. And unfortunately, this has been happening to me where I'm on this side and somebody does a meat proxy thing to me. I ask them to do something or to do a research and they get something from AI to me and I'm like, have you validate validated this?

Do you understand this? Like, no. That that's like So, how do you know if you are a meat proxy? Well, there is a there's a test. So, here's the test. The meat scan. I've pasted an AI answer I didn't read all the way through. Have you done this? I've pasted an answer I didn't read all the way through. Yeah. Yeah, do it every week. It's called command II. Okay, true. Next one. It's just six of them. Let's go through them. I've done that once. Yeah. Yeah, I asked AI exactly what I asked for for Yeah. I've said looks good to me to a diff I never opened. I've not done that. I've not done that.

Yeah. Okay. I put my name on summaries I didn't write. No. Well, I mean somebody did this in court. Oh my god. Yeah. Summary. So like Yeah. Somebody wrote not a summary, a report in court and they brought it to court and it got opened in court and they were like asked the the lawyer the opposing lawyer me uh noticed and asked if they can if they have used AI and they were under oath. So the the guy was like, "Yeah, I have used AI." And they brought up the chat. They they made them to open the chat in in court and they noticed the guy asked the AI to give the result the way they he wants it.

Does that make sense? So it's basically like create me a document that that proves my viewpoint. So basically uh a 33 page without reading it and basically giving it to the court. So damn it. Yeah. So I've never done that summaries. Uh when the AI is down, so is my output. I mean for come on 2026. Yeah. Uh I've defended a point I couldn't explain two minutes later. No, I just kind of process that. Ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Significant. Still significant. Yeah. But you're not like a full-on uh proxy meat. But yeah. Um moral of the story, please don't be a uh meat proxy. And I'm saying this in a very serious like I I'm seeing this a lot.

Not not just the example that I said. I've been seeing this a lot and I it it goes into a deeper conversation. I don't want to go too deep, but just around things like also copywriting. If a website or its copy looks AI, like it's written by I, I don't read it. I exit. You know why? Because it kind of tells me that the person who put it out there also didn't read it or didn't they didn't write it. They didn't read it. They just put it out there. I'm not going to read it. So anyway, uh don't be a meat proxy. Maintain critical thinking. Yes, please. Uh by the way, you can refer a meat proxy just like uh let me Google this uh for you.

You can actually refer this. So I can say Sam here, the name of the like the person and for example replying confidently to the wrong question. If you do this, I can make I can make a referral and I can add you to the bunch and copy this and send it to you. Oh, good. So, how do I what is that though? What is it that I receive? So, they receive this. Sam, you've been reported. Official notice from a concert coworker. Reports are emotionally binding, not legally binding. Yeah. Yeah. Official case file. Replying confidently to the wrong question. Diagnosed. Just don't be a Yeah. I I love it. I love the internet. I love how the internet has this People are so funny, aren't they?

Yeah. Yeah. The man, the culture is just so good. Anyway, sometimes in the dumbest ways. Well, this might be a new record for Jason waffling on before the shows even starts. Yeah. Yeah. What is local host, mate? You're learning something. Yeah. Well, start the dev server. Fable 5 on max. Okay. So, uh we got to get going. We got to get going. Yes, we got to get going. Um, what's on this week? Oh, yeah. We let the viewers know. Isn't it a bit late for that? Well, they Well, they want to know whether they're going to stick around, you know. So, this week we have Apple introducing a bunch of new hardware, like really exciting ones, not for the reasons you might think about.

We'll get into that. Um, and you can now also lease from Apple instead of buying and actually you can buy whatever you lease at the end of the lease which is also really good. We'll go through this. Uh, Open AI has a new chip or they are designing a new chip. Uh, we have a new GLM model or Lama now can run claude desktop. I have no idea. Sam, you need to me you you need to show us that. And also we have some cool news about Reoom uh our friends who are making like a website AI website maker that is not a slump. Yeah. Uh we'll get into all of this in today's episode.

I'm Kavza and I am Sam and this is a week in AI design and dev. Nice. Cool. Where do we start? Let's go Let's go Apple. I've got it on my screen now. If I can find my mouse. Um, we'll go Oh, I'm using a new computer, so I'm hoping I don't have to restart. So, let's go entire screen. Uh, looks like I need to maybe restart. Should I show? Yeah, but I've got to I've got to restart anyway. So, if you bear with me, I should be back in just a second. We bear with you. Okay. Until Sam comes back. Anybody has any idea what this is telling? Surprise and shine. Um, as as of like recently, they've been like using WebGL effects.

This one is a bit more subtle. Are they trying to say they are outshining the sun? Is it about their new chips? Well, it's the it's the new iPhone Fold, but I don't see the iPhone Fold here. Or is it here? I don't know. Maybe it does look like it's shining from the sides the I don't know. So, we will have this September event uh on the 9th. So that's next week. No, that that's the Monday after the next Monday, I think. Uh, you're back. I'm back, but I've had Yeah. videos playing in my ear for the last few Okay. minutes a bit. Oh, yeah. I can add this to my calendar. So, there is this new Apple event.

I was just telling our audience and I was trying to to see if I can guess or explain what's the meaning behind this effect because they are always being a they are a a little bit playful with like hiding hidden messages and maybe this one is outshining the sun but that that's not it. They they are more specific about the messaging. iPhone fold will be there. So, we'll have iPhone fold and I don't know what else. Not too sure the lens effect. So, maybe the vision pro get some I couldn't work it out from this one to be honest. Yeah, vision pro because of the lens effect maybe. But it's also Apple glass in a way.

So, it's also Apple camp, you know. Maybe. Well, that's just Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's just Well, either way, let's get on with the chips. Let's go on with the chips. So, basically, the they released it just this is just a this is just a like a news what do they call it? Press release. Yeah, it's a press release. They didn't do any sort of, you know, big big, you know, video form. Well, there is a video. this one for the mini, but basically they released the M6 chip in the new iPad mini and the M5 Ultra in the existing I guess I don't know whether you call it ex the existing Mac studio.

So there's no like hardware differences other than the chip and both of them point very heavily in the direction of AI for sure and you know you were saying just before the show that this is people aren't people are kind of sleeping on the fact that AI is kind of sorry Apple is kind of stepping on the toes of or winning I guess the AI I what did it what did you say before I said it's it's coming for the so I said people are very people are focusing on the hardware becoming more expensive and we all know it's because of AI but Apple is revenging and actually going to go after their piece of cake their piece of pie you would say uh to take a piece of their pie by basically selling you hardware on which you can run your own AI for essentially the same price monthly paid even like you could say less in a way uh to run the model all for yourself 24/7 without limitation and this to me is a I I mean we we saw this coming but we it wasn't as confirmed as now like right now it looks more confirmed than ever that it that Apple might be actually the winner of this whole AI race without having an AI model.

They are just going to provide you with the hardware that you need to run these models. And these hardware, can you tell us about it? Because they look damn impressive. A two nanometers. Yeah. So the M6 is the first two nanometer chip. That means obviously they can fit more transistors and things like that on the D. And it means they've I think they've squeezed out another couple of cores. So, um uh it features a large 12 core CPU. So, single core speeds will be increased whereas before on the M4 they've only got 10 uh CPU cores. So, single core performance will be very very good. Um and a 12 core GPU. I don't know what the Why is my mouse kind of just going crazy right now?

Sorry. um 12 core GPU with neuro accelerators. So this is the interesting one as well that's obviously used for AI and whatever. Um and a 16 core neural oh sorry it's the neural engine that's used for AI and up to 170 GB of unified memory bandwidth. We'll get into that when it comes into the ultra. But this is I mean maybe I'll get a I'll sort out like a comparison but this is for starting here and in fact let's even go oh we'll get up in a bit we'll get up we'll show you what it used to be the the the sort of base bandwidth and this is the speed at which data um is is transferred between the the chips basically.

So, that's really, really cool. And the downside of it being that the Mac Mini, which was once a really good deal, starting at, I think, $5.99, uh, went up in the recent changes and now it's gone up again. So, I think this is now starting at $8.99. Um, yeah. Yeah. So, still pretty cool. Um, I still think it's definitely an amazing, uh, it's got a lot of bang for your buck, if you know that phrase. Yeah. Um but yeah, so the real uh sort of show showcase here is the M5 Ultra which goes in the existing Mac Studio hardware. Um and this is where we going now. It's still in the old uh probably 3 nanometer architecture I think but it's still is 36 core CPU and an 80 core GPU.

Well, this is the biggest number to me is the 1.2 terabytes of unified bandwidth uh unified memory bandwidth. So again, the speed in which the the chips talk to you. I think my M5 Max uh has about 800 gig something like that. So it's roughly but double the what I'm existing. This is interesting because Macs are known to have a bit of a slower prefill. So, as the as the uh AI is warming up, this could suggest that it actually takes no time at all to warm up the AI um and actually process do the prompt processing. So, this is very very exciting. So, yeah, really really cool um uh advancements and I'm honestly like do I do I get I don't know whether I'd keep them.

I'm kind of like the the prices are ridiculous and well, I guess let's just get into the pricing. Uh we've got the Well, we're have to go into the pre-order here because you can still buy the M5 match. The M5 Ultra starts at 5 a half grand, you know. So, this is mental sort of money. I mean, that starts at but then you get the complete unbinned one, you're already up to 6.6. 7 well 6.8 really um and then that's with 96 gig of VRAM. Now this is a good amount of side this is a good amount to run sort of most uh models that are designed to run on local hardware that don't need any quantization.

However, this this won't run some of the more state-of-the-art ones. You know, we'll get into GLM flash. We'll get into all that sort of stuff. It It's too little, particularly if you increase the context, if you want a lot of context. So 256 is ve is starting to be very very very good. But 512 is a real nice one, but they're shipping that in October, late October. So God knows that's four grand just for 256. So we're probably expecting I reckon I reckon it will literally be double. I reckon it'll be eight grand on top of the 6.8 Eight grand we're already on right now. So that's crazy. And that's without going with like crazy storage.

Exactly. Right. I just put two terabytes in there because that's, you know, whatever. We're not doing trading. I think that's it pretty much. We're at 11 11.3 grand, you know, for for Yeah, this is pounds. I mean, it'll be roughly the same in euros, roughly the same in um uh dollars. So yeah, 16 terabytes, 18 grand. Yeah, it's so expensive. Yeah, the the the RAM I guess is worth it, but the the storage is definitely not. So yeah, and we have the Mac Mini that is also it was so so good when it was like really cheap and I think it was like $5.99 for students uh I believe but yeah now it's now it's quite expensive.

So if we go all because of AI. Yeah. Yeah. So if we go M6 and then we go M where's the Mac Mini? Uh, I want to see M4 Mac Mini. Uh, I I have the Macin M4. Here we go. No, I've got it here. I got it here. It's fine. So, if we look at the bandwidth we're looking at. So, that's 170. That's what we spoke about. It's 120. So, it's an increase. It's not like it's not like miles and miles away. It's 120 gig versus 170 as a base sort of bandwidth. We'll take it. But there you got the 12 core above um increase from a 10 core, four performance cores, whereas they've got four performance cores with an extra two super cores, which I think you could only get on the Pro.

I think the performance the super cores could only come with Pro. See, the the M5 Pro is still probably better better 307. I mean, it's roughly double that. Um, yeah, we don't get effic I'm looking there. We don't get efficiency cores with the with the the Pro. I don't know if we need efficiency cores in a Mac Mini. Exactly. Uh 20 core GPU though. So yeah, the the M5 Pro still slaps to be fair. But again, do we see the price here as well? $8.99 versus 1,699. So that's Yeah, that's that's double the price again. Do you know what I It's quite an increase. Yeah. So, that's the that's it. That's all I've got for you boys and girls.

That's uh that's the new stuff. I don't know whether I should buy the Mac Mini as a just sort of I I want to compare it to the the M5 Max. I don't know whether that's of interest to people. But yeah, that's kind of it. Anything more slide to add? Uh, should we talk about the ad separately? No, let's let's talk about the ad. Uh, yeah, go for it. Go for it. Have you seen it? Have you seen I've not watched No, no, I've not watched the ad. You want to just check it. You can check it on Well, how do we get it on the overview? What's YouTube? Watch YouTube. Uh, ju just check Mac Mini YouTube.

Mac Mini Apple YouTube. In fact, I can go YouTube. This one, this got a ton of views. It's not a video actually. It's a mo it it is a series of images images. And then the generates on Twitter as you can expect. they started like feeding that reference to Xfield or whatever like video generation tool and be like why did Apple make this like in a hard way while you could you know just asking trolling like shut the up like you you are stealing the work and and genuinely the results that I've seen they were just so bad they were not even near being like like you can see the some level of details and like smoothness in the the actual physics because it's all physical, right?

They are like mixing these um things. So the the Apple one is so good and the AI ones like obviously were not and people were like what the Like you're stealing like AI stealing this whole thing. Um and then some people were mad at Apple saying like they are being uh like they're making these hardware for AI companies but in their own market they are like oh we don't use AI look we are using you know actual human artists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to you buy the Mac for AI. You can buy it and run After Effects whatever. Right. Yeah. Yeah, trollers. Trollers. Is that what you call them? Trollers. Yeah, trolls. Uh but what's cool is that now a big part of the campaign it it feels like to me uh and this is in complete contrast to what we talked about last week with that video.

A part of what the artist now um shares with the community or like shares with the world is the behind the scenes. And the behind the scen scenes is becoming more valuable because it proves that you have a process that there is a human behind it that there is thought that there is not just a meat proxy handing the the clawed prompt to you know Hicksfield um and getting something to output and post not not even reading the prompt but actually there is a human with a creative process uh and I and I think we talked about this This is becoming also something we see on uh faceless YouTube channels that they are all all of a sudden showing their faces to prove that they are not like an AI faceless YouTube channel.

They are they've been faceless because that was just a thing in the past but now they are kind of forced to like real um engineering. They made a video on this and there are so many channels making videos like that. So anyway, if you are an artist and I feel like this is we talked about uh my website, we want to do that as well. We want to like in our show re we are including behind the scenes that show the software the screen recording like the humans behind it because we we don't want to look like just a pretty AI generated like video output. We want to look like people who actually have uh have threads in their heads and they can think and they can reason and they can actually hold hold a number in their head.

You know that uh you you tell AI like you know that joke, right? Like you tell AI you tell AI um I'm thinking of a word try to guess it or like you can also do it the other way and they play that game with you. But you know there is no holding of a concept in the head when it comes to AI which is fascinating. Like I can tell you think of a color and I'll try to guess it. Purple. No. No. That was too quick for me to process. Yeah. And I'm not very good at social situations anymore. So whenever someone talks to me, my my brain just farts. Too artistic. Uh you're happy with just Yeah.

But like I can ask you think of a color in your head and you you hold it in your head. AI cannot do this. So the joke being like when you make fun of the AI chat bots, you can say they they can't even hold a number in their head. Fair enough. Fair enough. Um anyway, subscription. Yeah, enough of making fun of AI chatbots. Um yeah, they're going to come after you. They probably Yeah. Yeah. I will run them on my Mac Mini and I will give them less cores. I will give them only access to efficiency cores if they behave bad. Well, how can one how can one purchase said Mac Mini or Oh, that's good point.

Yeah, we we almost forgot this. The Mac Studio, it's 20K. How can you buy a 20k machine? Well, you don't have to buy it. You can lease it. Well, how do we see this? Do we do do I need to get it on I think it's not um we can't access it from Europe because we are you know ah that's why not firstand citizens. Did you have a screenshot? Uh, yes, I did have it in my Yeah. Yeah. Give me a second. That's actually a good point. I almost forgot this. Not almost. I actually did forget the I did private message you, but you didn't see it. Yeah, I saw it too late. So this is really cool because now let me actually try.

So this is really cool because now you can actually lease with Apple. Uh this machine cost $1,200 $12,000. That that's really expensive. You are not going to pay like 12,000. You can just lease it for 250 bucks a month, which is not like cheap, but it's around the same amount that you would pay for uh your AI subscription, which is very interesting because with this one, you don't have any token limits. You don't have any like weekly resets, you don't have any any of those issues. You can just run it 247. given and you give get a model good you know I mean let's not get ahead of ourselves because may I remind you my where am I this has been running for over 24 hours now this is a local model on the M5 Max like and that's an extreme case but theoretically yes you could run it on or you can run locally you pretty good models locally on on your Mac Studio.

But it is an interesting um direction they've gone in with this because it's almost too coincidental that the prices all went up and then there's this upgrade and I think they had the upgrade system on an iPhone. And I think you could always get the latest iPhone on subscript subscription. There's a very specific reason why I'm using that word. Um, but this means that they get predictable recurring revenue for roughly the same amount of time as people start to get tired of their machines. Now, to justify the purchase of my Mac Studio, I worked out that I've been paying £50 a month renting my M1 Pro. Basically, I had it for four, five years. I paid X amount of money, 2 and a halfK for it, dividing the co, you know, divide that by however many months that is.

Do you know what I mean? So, I justified the cost a and that helped me. So, and it was roughly about four years. So, like it it sort of works out. I think it's I think it's a good price. It's a sensible price. 36 months. What's that? Is that three years or four years? Um I think it's four years. That No, that's three years. Three years, is it? Um you know, and then you get to what? You get to buy it outright. You can um you can Yes. The the remaining money like the remaining that you owe to Apple, you can pay it and at no extra cost. I was going to say, is it interest free?

Interest free. So, and let's let's also not forget you don't buy this only to run um a model on. It's a computer. You use it for whatever that you use it. While you know if you get something a subscription from uh Anthropic or whatever you know you still need a computer in addition to that right we have a question which mo which model are you running on your M M5 the one that's taken over 24 hours this is Quen 3.8 27B. Um there you go. Yeah, I run many many models of I run tons. Um, yeah, it's it's good. It's good. I would I would consider it. I I try to because before they just try and um point you to like Barclays or a bank to basically have most of the time they are interest free payments, but you're tied to the bank.

I think this just feels more integrated with um with the Apple upgrade. But lo and behold, it seems like it's only an American thing because I can't see it on my pre I'm pre-ordering my Mac here and I can't see any upgrades. I can see it on the German unless I need to press continue. Let's have a look. 18 grand. No, I don't want a a new screen. I don't want anything like that. No, no, no. Nine Duncan. Nine Duncan. Yeah. So, one nine Duncan. So, it's offering me1,499 or 51 uh pounds a month for 36 months at 14.9% interest. So, it's offering me an interest. Oh, that that's that's expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With interest.

So, when Apple upgrade will come to the Here we go. Yeah. See there? Although yours doesn't have an interest free option unless there's something weird going on with the color because it looks like that. So, if you scroll down. Yeah, I have to No, no, no. That's Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Why? Why can't I? Because you haven't ordered a screen. Oh, no. You're right. Actually, no, you are right. Maybe just click on no even though it's already selected for the for the screen. Jesus Christ, they really want you to buy peripherals, don't they? Since when Apple is becoming so difficult to to buy from like anyway. Yeah. So, no plan. Anyway, not in Europe, not in uh not in the UK, but in the US, you can now lease your hardware, which could be the future of the only way to afford new hardware because it's so cost prohibitively prohibit prohibitive.

It's crazy. Um but but it's it's a really interesting move from Apple because they are telling you hey you are already paying 200 bucks to Anthropic come pay us the same amount and get a computer for it which you can at the end of the lease buy out outright which is you know I think it is a good deal. So uh what is it? So if we say 250 bucks times um 36 month that's 9K. So you would owe them about 3K. So after 3 years you owe them 3K. That 3K you could you could figure out a way to pay them. You could lease from a bank or whatever. If you have if you're starting up up a company after those three years, the 3K might it might have got you off the ground to start your company and 3K is like a a reasonable amount to put down on your computer, right?

So yeah, it or you get another one. It's undeniable. Yeah, it's undeniable that um subscriptions and these low price things really like Adobe as an example, you know, instead of having to pay all that money for master collection, it's a lowcost entry to help you get your business off the ground, you know, it's yeah, it's undeniable really. But but what I'm thinking like would I actually do this because there is a reason you might not want to do it. So I'm already paying more than 250 bucks to AI like token sellers to token dealers I'm paying more than 250 bucks a month. Uh so would I buy this? The only so even if you give me a local model that is pretty much as good as Fable 5 and also as fast as Fable 5, right?

I don't need it to be much more faster, but like roughly the same speed. Would I buy this? I would still hesitate because of the three years thing. I'm I'm talking about not directly buying it, but leasing it. Actually, I'm I'm not sure because of the what what will happen in three years. We don't know. We don't know if in three years this M5 Ultra is still good enough for the, you know, Fable six and seven or whatever. Yeah. Well, and it can work both ways though because at the end of the day, like um even as a a local AI advocate, them saying you can replace your uh anthropic subscription with with this computer is a bit of a stretch.

We're not quite there yet with local AI. However, we don't know what the future holds, right? We don't know what the future holds. So, here we have uh this M5 36 core 80 core GPU. So, let's me see which model is that here. That's the That's the That's the one we put through. That's the one I put through. But this is not the ultra, right? Is it the ultra? I'm assuming that's the ultra because it's 80 core. Oh yeah. Yeah. This is the 80. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um 256 is the maximum memory you can have currently in Canada. Yeah. This is what costs like 11,000 here. And this one in Canada uh so in Canada you can also lease it for 24 a month for 328 month.

Uh $28 a a month. uh for 20 24 months or the 36 one. Yeah. So again, this might be a good gateway for people to get this. I mean, this is an overpowered machine for most people, don't get me wrong. Like I don't think you know, no one should really be a not a lot of people should be buying this machine really. But isn't it crazy that two years ago, two years ago, I could not imagine I mean we have a business, we are freelancers, we have like we have team members we work with. I could not imagine paying 200 bucks a month for one subscription. Yeah, I know. Yeah. For like one account, one subscription.

And now it's becoming what such a norm that I'm paying like three CHP subscriptions like for my team but also like for myself I'm paying the like the 200 bucks a month claude and now I'm seeing like this Apple 250 bucks a month and I'm like yeah I guess there what's happening I feel like we're being like this uh the it's happening slowly that you are getting fed this like extremely expensive subscriptions. Yeah. The scary thing is or the scary thing to wonder is if tomorrow these subscriptions doubled, would you pay it? That's that's so true because with Claude Oh man. Uh yes I have to as a business I have to but I will directly like increase my prices when it comes to my clients like I have no other choice I would do that but I would probably lean more heavily on local AI to be clear and I've said this time and time again I do local AI as a hobby it's just fun it gets my juices because you're broke not because I'm broke not because like of any other reason other than I just I think it's cool just to have fun with local AI, right?

Yeah. I would probably lean more heavily on getting some I probably find more I could get done dayto-day that I chucked to claw from actual fact. I could have just probably chucked at my local AI and got it done. Don't get me wrong, there are some small models, some 12b models, some 20b models that actually do get stuff done pretty quickly. Like throwing my meetings in there. Do you know what I mean? Throw my meeting transcript. That's a good Yeah, that's a really good use. That's a really There are so many like dumb You can run all your dev servers with your like there are so many you just pay for electricity, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Run server all day if you want. Run servers all day. How many servers can you run? Like I remember when the cheese grater, the original cheese grater came with like a thousand uh gigabytes of RAM, like a thousand gig RAM. Uh I remember that on YouTube uh what uh what was it? What what's his name? The the guy who uh Len Lionus. Lionus. Yeah. Yeah, Lionus. He made a video buying that like computer. I think the the big the the the most like the toughest uh configuration would cost you $52,000. He didn't buy that one, but he bought the one with the most amount of RAM to figure out uh how many Chrome tabs you can open.

I guess nowadays it's like how many dev servers you can open. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let I'll go on. Let's go. Yeah, let's go. Yeah. Well, I'll I'll do a segue into Olama. Just a quick one. I thought it was really interesting more so from like a technical side of things than anything. Uh Olama have released support to run local models or indeed cloud models because they support both using clawed desktop. Now I always wondered how can I use local models with claw desktop. I just didn't I couldn't I literally could not figure it out because there's no way to really play around with stuff. Grant I didn't look too deeply into it, but Alama seems to have figured it out and it's as you would expect a claw desktop experience but using local models whatever you've got connected.

So you download Oh god, this is so good. So, you download Oola Lama. And if we open Lama here, and this is really interesting because normally you would get sent through to the chat screen, but they've got this new apps thing here, and you can literally just And I've got it switched on. Let's switch it off now. It's going to ask to restart Claude. Um, and I can indeed confirm it's restarted Claude. I'm not going to bring it on because it's, you know, I do stuff on it. So, I flip this. Restart Claude. Here it is. And it brings it back in. And it's almost like a fresh installation of claw claw desktop. And the settings are all specific to this.

So it's almost like it's a a four clone or is it Oh, this is what I thought. No, no, it's it's gen I can see you can see Claude up here. It's all, you know, it's all the latest version of Claude and all the rest of it, but like none of my skills are in there. And I don't know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing because it's almost like you want to pick up on your old tasks or work on your existing projects and things like that. Have them both. You can't have them both. No, because I've basically done nothing. So, I' I've got Gemma 31B in the cloud here, and I can just, you know, use the the the Claude desktop experience that we all know and love.

And this in theory could be a local model, but it's not just cuz that's the one I've selected. But yeah, I'm using I'm using uh Claude. And it's it's just interesting. What happens if you ask like what are you? I think it would be Jimma. What are you? It knows that it's Gemma. Well, yeah, I guess I suppose because um the environment shouldn't matter, right? Uh so we got a question. Will my prompt or data be sent to anthropic or lama? I could not tell you. I I think it's it yeah, it's not going to anthropic. Well, I don't know whether terms and conditions might say that they are allowed to monitor what's going going on here.

You'll have to just look at the terms and conditions, but it's a good question. I see. I see. My hope that it it just isn't. Here we go. You're running Claude through your organization's own inference provider. In this case, it's Lama. Your conversations are sent there, not to Anthropic, and are governed by your organization's agreement with that provider. So they say one thing and this is the big problem with tech and what Mark Zuckerberg destroyed for all of us is that do we trust that? No. Do we trust not to anthropic? I mean we have to they're saying this but if they ever get found out then we're then they're screwed. What an what anthropic doesn't see your prompts your claws your files your identity what what anthropic may receive configured by your organization crash reports and diagnostics anonymous usage metrics there so Olama might have agreed to any any number of these four points diagnostics but can you now so can you use codecs um like GP open AI models inside of clot code Um, it depends.

It's a good question. Let me check. If you not through the API, but through the like codec, but I don't know how that would work like they only support GPTOSS. They don't support any of the closed source. So again, you know, what is the best model? They the best model you can GPOSS is still like you look on No, I mean with u with this Olama solution for clot code desktop app, what is the best model that you can use? Well, I mean again this the best is debatable, but if you look at intelligence um and we go GPTOSS is is still ranking okay up the you know the default out of the top 30 it's still there that's GPoss 128 bill which is quite surprising given it's an open weights model um so yeah what you define as the best model up to you.

But it's just interesting. I just don't know. And then if you run local models, like if you choose, so I can you can download local models through um Olama. Um you'll have to I always forget how to do it, but yeah, if you install I I think you type in your terminal run um I don't know GPOSS whatever non-cloud. I don't think any data will be sent to Anthropic because the agreement isn't with your organization because you're running a local model if that makes sense. I don't know actually know because it's technically run through OAMA so God knows um but yeah seemingly I know check out check out's terms and conditions yeah data retention is different from uh like throwing non anonymous like crash data and things like that they don't retain the data but they might send it places right doesn't stop them sending just double check just double check a lot.

And then to get out of it, you just flip this switch up here and then you just you're back to your normal um I mean I'm seeing it off screen here. You're back to your normal clawed code or clawed desktop. So yeah, interesting interesting from a technical standpoint sort of um implementation. The only issue is if you are running local models, Olama have a very limited um array of uh local models that are optimized for Mac. And you'll see that in fact, am I going to I'm going to have to go back here and share my screen again. If you go to Gemma is one of the only ones Jimmer 4. You see that it's got MLX next to it.

So only some models have that MLX which is optimized to run on Mac. So that's the that's the last thing I say. Quen 3.8 you're saying you're asking in the comments there. Quen 3.8 they support it. They support MLX and it's the 27B version. So that's pretty cool. takes up 18 gig. Thing is, they also hide the quantizations. There's no way you could get the 27B version on on a Mac without being quantiz. That's probably quantized 4bit for sure, but they don't really tell you what the quantization. Um, yeah, they don't tell you the quantization amount, but I can I can tell you that this model could not run 18 with 18 gig of RAM without any quantization.

So, yeah. Anyway, that that went on for a bit longer than I'd hoped, but still quite cool. Still quite cool. What we got next? Stealth mode. So, oh no, let's talk about OpenAI chip. Let's talk about Open. I haven't seen it, but yeah. So, I saw this tweet from Young Sam that said, "We made a chip and it is fast." This was three days ago, something like that. I was like, "Hang on, what?" This is hilarious, by the way. Get ready for this. Oh no. Oh no. It's been refreshed. Oh, it might be a different Come on, do something. It was funny with the Intel one. Yeah. Yeah. Um and then literally like Well, we'll have a look now.

25th of August. There was a comment saying like, "Will you open source it because you're open AI?" Yeah. So a couple of hours later they announce Jalapino, our first custom inference chip that we've been testing and the systems around it. The results show a major advantage advance more intelligence from every watt and faster responses delivering both higher throughput and lower latency and a one architecture without sacrificing efficiency. Basically a GPU designed specifically for uh AI jalapeno. But why jalapeno? That's hot. Oh, I don't know. I guess so. It's hot. Yeah. Well, hot is not good for a chip, you know. No, we want them cool. We want them to cool, don't we? Um, I did have a look to see how much jalapeno.ai was on namecheep.

It was like 70k, so I I didn't buy it. Oh, yeah. But this is the stats. I actually have no idea how to infer these stats because from what we've got no point of reference here, but yeah, you know, it's good Apple charts. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. It's just there's no base for comparison. And it will be planned to deploying a Jalapeno and open air's uh compute infrastructure by the year end. It's the first step in a multi-generation road map. Gen two is deep in development already and Gen 3 is taking shape. This is how far ahead these companies actually work. I don't know. I feel like they are trying to sell so hard that they are getting to this point that they are not showing us the V1.

They are talking about V3. Yeah, exact. Wow. I don't know. It's um Yeah, maybe. I want to find the meme that really made me laugh, but it's I don't know why it Let's find it. Just scroll. I know what I'm looking for. It's Jensen basically just being a bit bit of a miserable te uh toddler. So, Apple is making chips and now OpenAI is making chips. So, you can buy their you can buy their subscription or buy their hardware, I guess. Well, yeah. Um, I don't think I'm going to show this meme, unfortunately, boys and girls, because that's When were these said? Because literally, it was at the top. It was at the top. Yeah.

So, stay tuned. Let's see. Let's see what happens in the world of open AAI and what sort of um speed they get because they re really they just announced their kind of not partnership with Cerebrus but they announced they're kind of running on Cerebrus and claiming 14x speed you know on that architecture but the only the only thing I'll say about this is that I think Nvidia like they're good chips and they're the leaders and whatever but they aren't as far as I'm aware if someone wants to correct me in the comments they're not designed for AI. You can equally just use them for for for gaming as well, right? Whereas it sounds like these are fine-tuned specifically for AI, which naturally you're going to get better performance.

And I think Nvidia released when blockchain was a big thing and bit Bitcoin mining and stuff like that. They released a chip specifically for that which performed a lot better because it just did that one thing really well. So yeah, I think Nvidia needs to pull their fingers out and and design a chip that's specifically built for AI from the ground up. You know, it it's funny because, you know, they they they stopped making consumerf facing uh chips like Nvidia started like not started like but but they they made gaming chips. you know the uh the 3090 Ti that I have it's a gaming chip and now you they they are essentially they left that market and who knows maybe they will come back but with a new chip a new graphic card that you can both game on and also it can render yeah you know it can do the frame interpolation generation on the fly and also you know, give you some tokens.

Let's see. Let's see how they respond because uh I did not expect OpenAI to be working on a on a chip. Look out Nvidia. Open eye is coming for you. Um so let me get this mean prepare prepare this. Let me prepare this. I've I've I've performed this in my head, right? So when it comes to the edit, hopefully it will look look cool. So a mysterious free reasoning model called Ox Alpha just appeared in Open Router and as a stealth mode model. Have you heard about these models that you know they get tested out? No one knew what it was or whatever. Um and it was scoring really high on uh for comparison GBT Soul was scoring a 52.

Fable was a 65. Ox Alpha 80% on Deep Sweet. Yeah. Benchmark. This is like software engineering. This software engineering is a closed source benchmarks and this is uh this was raising a few eyebrows. Oh, wait. Just in Ox Alpha has just been We We know who it is. It's GLM 5.3 Flash. No way. No way. So, GLM 5.3 Flash is the is what we've previously referred to as Ox Alpha, and it is it's a doozy. Highly competitive price. Flash. The word flash should constantly be that ringing in your head, right? Like the smaller ones. The smaller ones. Exactly. So, highly competitive price, million token context window, which you know is a um is we've what we've come to is standard a 320 billion parameter uh mixture of expert model.

This means there's 18 billion parameters MIT so open source open weights and previously ox alpha running entirely on Chinese AI chips. Oh wow. Now so 320 by comparison is I don't want to reveal too much just yet but um uh what was the previous contender? It was uh not I think it was Kimmy K3 actually. I think that was a 500 billion parameter model. This is a this is a small model that's again scoring 80 on those uh those benchmarks which is just absolutely incredible. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I have been using it. Um and here's the price. Actually, it was free by the way when it was Ox Alpha. It was a free model.

I don't know whether I made that super clear, right? But these are really cheap prices as a flash model. This is this is crazy. Um the sorts of these are the sorts of benchmarks we're looking at. I think even artificial let me get artificial analysis up. This is the problem with um streaming on one screen. I can't like prepare something. But uh let me get I'll just get it up official. Uh, let's see an intelligence. Let's see if it's here. There it is. There. So, it's already um doing really really well. Let's get the deep sweep ones up. Two seconds. I never know. I never know who does data curve. That's the one. So, if we look at this here, it's a bit of a mess, but there's the GLM flash.

The co this is the cost per task. So it's all the way down here. This is where you want to be. Cheap cheap cheap. And the intelligence is all the way up here. There's soul. There's soul there. It's just nipping at the heels of soul there. Where's fable? I mean fable's all the way over here. But if you look from a um intelligent perspective, what's GPT flash is around there. Can you see where my mouse is? Yeah. So, not far off of fable performance, but all the way down it for cost. And I think that's kind of all you need to know that this is I would describe this as a a deepseek moment. another deepseek moment where they're getting crazy performance out of you know the good deep seek uh or like the deepseek moment that we are talking about was deepseek three two two uh maybe three actually I've forgotten it's yeah whatever the point is there on the chart we had deepse four that's why I'm saying yeah yeah yeah deepse four is the latest one so deepseek um this moment was they managed to train a very capable model off with like $2 million, which training a model on $2 million is is is unheard of at the time.

It wasn't an amazing model, don't get me wrong, but it was it was it was unprecedented at the time. And uh to do it on Chinese hardware, to do it for that sort of price, I it's it's pretty pretty impressive. Now, Unsllo have already got it as GGUF, which isn't optimized for Mac, but it can run on Mac. And this is what we're looking at here from from a size perspective. All the the the full fat version is looking at about 200 gig. Um, but I can run, you see these ticks because I've put in my M5 Max. I could run the one bit version on my M5 Max. Uh, but it's still taking up 93 gig.

So, it's still quite big, but it can run. It can run on it. Um, I'll look to I'll wait and see if there are some LMLX versions. There are some MLX versions coming out, which I'm tempted by, but you know, on swap of I think day zero, they had this ready day zero to be able to run it because the if we go here again, I'm teaching you to suck eggs when it comes to local models here. But these are these are the weights. You can't do anything with these. you have to you have to convert it or quantize it or do whatever to actually get it working on sort of consumer hardware. So these are the weights that they release.

There's not a lot you can do. And if we look at the files here, these are 328 gig the total size of all the all the these these are the weights. So yeah, really competitive model. Um, I've been using it to edit videos, which is where you saw the my Mac's been running for the last whatever. I'm currently using Quen 3.827B. That's the one locally that I'm running, but I did run it through GLM servers because I have this coding plan. So, I just did the task of editing a video through GLM. Um, I mean, did you want to see it? Do we show it the video that it edited? Oh, no. No, it's on the Sorry, it's on the wrong machine.

I can't show you and it will be glitchy. What I'll do is I'll overlay the video now in the edit and then you can you can watch that when we when we put it on the channel. But coming back to this coding plan, I've got this coding plan here. They've actually deprecated this, you know, these prices here. By the way, this is monthly, this is quarterly, this is yearly. So, obviously save the more you buy. But they've updated the plans here to be creditbased. Now, honestly, I don't know how they did this previously. Surely they would, you know, surely they're all credits based. Like I had this one is five times the usage. Like did they just abstract the number of tokens you use and it was based on I'm not too sure.

But I think this new plan gives you a clearer picture on how many tokens you're actually using because your credits, you get 10,000 credits a week on the light plan as an example. Six times that you get 60,000 credits. 14 times that, you get what's that? 140,000 credits. Um, so they've updated the plans. I think you can I'll put my link down below, by the way, if you want to. In fact, let me give you the link because I give you a discount basically if you were using it. I'll put it in the chat. Boom. Um, yeah, they've updated the plans basically. So, get on that. GLM is the is surprised us. And going back to that flat rude.

Um, going back to that Flash thing, what's are they gonna come out of 5 point? Actually, I think 5.3 is already out. I think 5.3 is already out, but point is what what's their next what's their next endeavor? What are they going to release next? Cuz they're doing good. And oh, sorry, last thing to say. It's multimodal. The previous version wasn't multimodal. So, this can look at images and actually review the work that it's done. So really, really impressive model from ZAI there. Um the current the new this week's new best model from Z. This week's nest. Yeah. Cool. Reloom. Could you do Reloom in 15 minutes? It's our last one. Yeah. Let me grab my links actually.

Uh because I restarted my my laptop. I'm just opening the links. Did you disappear then without me even noticing? No, it's um prior to the show. Prior to the show. Well, while you do that, while you do that, let me let me just talk quickly about our old friends, Warmwind. So, we had these guys on the show. Well, you want to do this one, don't you? Um, we had these guys on the show really early on, probably about this time last year, and they've just released like I think General Access or something. I don't even think they were, you said beta earlier. I don't even think they were beta, but this was the first they were the first example of a AI that has control of an operating system.

We had really heard about this when they came on the show and it seemed really really interesting and they released a really nice video where it's all one take and they sort of do the same thing here where he's walking through the forest, all this sort of stuff. Um, and I got an email saying that I'm invited to use it because now it's avail. Really nice video. I like I like their whole vibe to be honest. Um, he goes on to explain that if they were to use traditional methods of just sending screenshots of the of the user interface. So basically, let me just put some uh face to the name. This is their operating system which runs windows of your app.

Now this could be a web app, but it also could be Adobe Premiere or something like this, right? It could run it runs these apps inside of a window and it can navigate between them and and this and that and the other. If they were to send these screenshots off to just an AI, it would cost a lot of money, like crazy amounts of money. So, they've had to develop their own way to to do this. Now, I've not watched this video, but they've literally just released this architecture video, and I look forward to watching that, but he admits right at the beginning they are looking to hire. So, this is uh this is a what do they call it?

Um, bait, I guess you'd call it. They want developers to watch this and get in contact with them because they want to work with Warm Wind. So, it does look like it might be doing something a bit different. Um, my only thing and look at this. Look at this shot. He walks and the big reveal to this is crazy. So, where is it? It's here. So, he's walking and walking and walking and then the camera pans around and then re reveals that amazing shot. It looks fake. I'm not sure where they're from. I'm not sure where they're from. Maybe Norway or something. I don't know, but that's crazy. Um, so I'm a big fan. However, are they just a bit too late to the pie?

Are people quite happy with Hermes Claude computer use, Kodox computer use, and all the rest of it? Um, yeah. Either way, I'd be interested to know and I look forward to reporting maybe about what they've done differently of how they've achieved what they said is very very difficult to achieve using traditional methods. But either way, yeah, that's all I'll say about that. Cool. Go for it. Let's go. We got a huge news here. Reloom just announced Reloom Publish. It's additional to the RLoom that you already probably know. I mean, it's used by a million plus freelancers and agencies and designers. You can now not just start building your website, not just plan it. You can actually design and publish it like publish it on your own domain with analytics and everything.

I mean, look at their new lovely website. Uh, we'll look at this later maybe, but let's just dive into the the tool like what it can do. This is like Room design and publish. You can design and you can publish. But actually, let's take a step back and like let's see how did we get here. So, we go to our dashboard. When you go to the Reloom, by the way, it was now.AI. So, they bought Reloom AI, they and they they and they got ahead of Webflow in many ways. Web flow has the Web Flow Conf, which I will be, by the way, in Munich watching it with the community. Uh so relum had the library and then you the library you could export it and now you have these as like separate tools.

So you have reloom publish and with reloom publish you can create a new website and I've done already so so let's just go through what I've done uh step by step. So the first step is the brief and you do the brief with an agent and I'm going to Can I see my old chat? Yeah, that's my old chat. So this is my chat. I said create a creative website for a matcha brand called Matcha Angels. The reason for that is because I did this uh for Room campaign. I did it with Room uh components but not with Room design. Now I wanted to do it with Room Design and test it. It gives you a brief.

So I actually went through the brief. I didn't read all of it, but I did some of it and I did I added some adjustments. I said it's a Renaissance look for Gen Z. And then what's cool, you you have this brief that's that's going to stay. So this is really nice because you also don't lose it if you do this on a folder you know with a instance of claude you always like end up making plans that you lose later on especially later on maybe you don't lose it now but in three months from now you won't even remember it with uh Room what I really like is that you have the brand this is the brand brief in a way you have it here even the voice and identity you have it here.

You can edit all of this or you can actually skip the brief, the sitemap, wireframe, everything. You can skip it all. I'll show you that as well and go straight to design. But in this one, we're not going to skip it. So, you get a site map. You can obviously just like how it was before, you can edit it. You can swap components and whatnot. You have all the options here. You can do it yourself or you can just tell the AI agent to do it for you. So in this case, I actually um so this is the agent talking to itself. Actually, it wasn't my chat. So this is mine. I said add relevant sections uh to the other pages.

So it did already create these pages, but it didn't add the sections to them. So it they were empty pages. So I said add the relevant sections and it did. Next step we go to wireframe. And this is also as you probably know Room you have these wireframes that you can directly change or ask your AI to change. And here this is a good stage to actually not see the design to not think of the design to think of what matters. We talked about this earlier in the show like three times already. The copywriting is what what's sells. The copy is what connects with people and I feel like so many websites are missing this completely.

So here in this stage you get the right amount of the right elements and it has a pro and con to be honest like you are limited to a set of components but on the other hand you know these are designed by humans and you get the right elements you get the right uh architecture you get the right hierarchy anyway. So you get this to do what? To focus on your um to to focus on your uh copyrightiting. And you can also change the layout to a certain point. We'll get into this a bit more. Um then you get to design. And in design, obviously the agent designs this for you, but you can go ahead and ask the the agent to do stuff.

And I haven't been testing this for long. I haven't. So, this is pretty new to me as well. So, I don't know everything that it can do or can't. And it's still in beta. So, the last comment, the last thing I told the agent to do, I said, "An animate this." I took this heading and I said, "An animate this with Gap." Said, "I can't add a Gap animation to the heading from here. the builder doesn't expose a way to attach custom grip scripts. Yeah. So, it can't do that yet, I guess. Uh, that's a bummer. But this is kind of like a simple, I would say, website that you get right out of the bat.

But how can I actually exit? Ah, yeah. I scroll up. That That's a feedback. I didn't know how I could exit. Anyway, so you you exit the preview. But the whole point here being that you have extremely simple controls. This is like for a non-technical person, the heaven. You have these agents that are also like there are different agents. So you have the Room AI, but you have designer, copywriter, strategy. So you can use different uh types of agents to do different types of things or just the general one. You can insert the components that we already know they exist like there are thousand plus components. Um you have this site. This is what I really like that you get a visual you know representation of like you see your site visually.

You can like go to the page settings and adjust your uh you know the slog, the title, the description and so on. Uh you have the library of like the images and you have the styling which is also not we already had this in rum design but now it's I think it's a bit more cleaned uh cleaned up. So it's it's a very linear way calculated way of building websites and then at the end of it you can obviously publish this to your own custom domain which I know the first question would be does that cost money? Yes. Like as you you bet uh it cost money because um we're talking about publishing. So you publish that to your custom domain.

It cost less than web flow CMS. So, and it's it's quite simple a very simple pricing uh page pricing structure just based on views which I think is I think it's um it's good and it's fair you know it's simple and fair. Uh but we also have the exporting pricing. So if you want to use the components the MCP uh and so on. So you have the volulu MCP you can give the components to your claude uh or what whatever other agent to build on top of you're going to be paying one of these this should be actually even this should be enough anyway. So that's for the export but the publish is per website per domain obviously but you can start free um and yeah you also have you an AI usage so if you are building yourself you don't have to pay this you can actually everything that I showed you you can build it yourself everything like the site map you don't need an AI you can just come here and add pages add section All of these are defined.

It's it's not like AI is not hallucinating stuff. It's create it's using the structure that Rooma already has. Same with wireframing and even with the design like you can literally change the designs uh and the spacing and so on yourself. So you don't have to use the AI but if you use the AI it's a separate cost. Uh what's also interesting worth to mention I want I want to just go through everything just so you know what you're dealing with. Uh you have site settings and this one by the way is very framer like it's not like exactly web flow like it's a framer look. Uh by the way I it's a like small thing.

I see this icon and I don't think of settings. What is the icon? It's a bit too small. It's a setting. It's supposed to be sitting like same. Oh, it's supposed to be like a cog. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh it's a gear, I guess. Uh or like Yeah. Um no, the the one that Web Flow has is to me a setting. Anyway, um so you have the domain, you have redirects, uh you need to, you know, have the URL, you have CMS coming soon. That's interesting. So I suppose they've been working a lot like behind the scenes you you have to build all of these. So they have forms, you have custom code. So you can actually add Gap animations.

Uh even though it's not right now uh the agent didn't do it, you can just do this through custom code. Um, yeah, the indexing stuff like the sitemap XM XML, the the JSON schema, you have you have that uh you have team members, you can add team members, you have uh the hosting stuff and and you have the page settings. I find this so nice this UI. I genuinely find this so good. Like look at it. You have the sitewide settings and the page settings. Why not? Yeah. like these are extremely relevant. Why not just just have them here? You can go through you know the the SEO settings that you have like the open graph image everything you have it here.

I find that quite nice. Uh then you have analytics which is something that comes with it. Mind you like with web flow you have to pay this extra. I I'm not sure, correct me in the comments, but I think with framer you also have to pay it extra. I'm not sure. I think maybe framer does include some level of analytics. Uh either way, with Room it is included. So that's Room Publish. Uh I want to also show you another site. Where did it go? Actually, I have to go back to the dashboard. Uh, I made another one shot. And to be fair, I haven't put like any like any uh description like proper description for any of these as you saw.

And this is just another one for an architecture website. Uh, and for this one, I skipped the brief sitemap, wireframe, everything. I skipped everything. There's an option I'll show you. You can just go through uh directly to the design and some of these you see are less styled but you can click on it. You can directly ask AI to style or do whatever uh with it. You can go to the agent. Um actually I I like the the UI. There are some rough stuff. For example, it scrolls every time I go back to it. But I like that it's look it's so simple. I haven't used the tool and I'm I notice I'm just navigating it.

I'm just navigating. I I don't feel like lost. I So, good job on uh on the UX. I don't feel lost at all. All of these are new, but I don't feel lost. Um yeah. Anyway, so I do feel lost in claw design every single damn time. By the way, like every time today I was literally showing claw claw design update uh to the web flow community and I was like how can I go back? I closed it and I opened it again because it was opening in three new windows. It it was awful. I I'm saying this to say that I can already see people who are doing rum are coming from a UX background.

people who are doing claude design. I was literally thinking about this that people who are doing claude design are telling literally claude, hey add new features. They are not saying what features, what for, who for. They're just saying like add new features. Like you can zoom in in areas that doesn't any make any sense and it doesn't work. It works halfway. Anyway, so good job on the design on the UX especially. So, let's go back to a few things like what the tool can do. You have obviously these templates as well. And to be fair, again, like very simple ones, but uh just to show you how it works, you press create website and you can say make me a site.

This is a horrible way to do it, but you can and you can skip it to the design or just or actually start from a brief and go step by step. and create a brand, create a coherent voice and tone um and not, you know, jump to the design. Anyway, so it's a very linear way of creating marketing websites. It's in beta and I'm looking forward to seeing like how it evolves. And as it is now, it is to be fair lacking quite quite some features. For example, I want to add an animation. I couldn't. Uh what if I want to add a very custom component? Uh I I haven't tested it completely, but I think I'm limited to the components.

I can't make a custom component. I think um maybe then it's not meant for me. But I think even that I should be able to make a custom component. Or what if I want to make a calculator like a pricing calculator, right? That that's something that everybody needs. What if I want to make some more interactions? I need to have that sort of control. Uh so maybe we will have an animator. I don't know. Maybe we will have an animator. Yeah, that that's kind of what I meant where like it's a bit late to the party and that so many of these other tools are so far along and it's a surprise that they like like Lovable or something like that and uh Replet and whatever.

Um but you know it's a natural progression because I think they were one of the first that brought out an AI. It wasn't a site builder. It wasn't like a publishing platform. It was literally use AI to develop a site map and a series of wireframes, right? Yeah. This was so successful that Web Flow literally like actually took this and copied it. Yeah. And I wasn't even mad at web I would actually call them out on something like this, but it's when something is this good, like you cannot not copy it, right? This is insanely good because it's so easy with this is what people forget like with AI you can go so freaking fast you can go at the speed of light but you can hit the wall at speed of light and you will hit the wall at speed of light because making so many changes and so many decisions so fast will also be a a recipe for making bad decisions and mistakes.

breaks so fast and having for example when we are talking about any sort of project actually an overview is extremely helpful uh developers use VS code for what not just to write the code or read the code or like navigate the code itself but it's I I've learned this I've been like learning this it's a lot of it is about the management of the file and the structure and the components it's not just the the the smallest details of every single line of code. It's the the overall architecture that uh matters arguably more. This is the architecture that they can give you. The wireframe is the architecture they can give you. So I as you said I fully agree it it's a starting point but there are so much missing and I think they should I'm pretty sure they will add those.

And when looking at something like lovable, I genuinely feel like you it's so easy to get slop um from because it doesn't guide you through a process which if you don't know anything about web design or anything. It's it doesn't hold your hand in what you need to think about to get a good result. It's just like tease me, be go nuts. Do you know what I mean? Like do what you want. How can I see my like pages if I want to see my pages? Ah, here. I don't know. Yeah. But um man, I clicked like five times. Anyway, yeah. But I have a question. I don't know whether you can answer it or don't know whether you understand it better.

Like the pricing of Real Publish, right? You've got $14 for the AI. What were you using to make you that website just then? I I I'm on the pro version. So, you're on So, so a normal person would would would not have got that. They would have had to No, they get it. So, I Oh, wait. Uh I don't know if they give away free AI. Honestly, I don't know because Okay. Um, so what do you get if you like don't pay Rolum anything? Yeah, I don't think you get any AI. I'm I'm not sure honestly. I have other accounts. I should I should check them. So, try and separate all the pricing. What happens if you just pay for the next tier up on the page that you're on now?

The starter. What do you get? Just export. So yeah, so you get the export and MCP. Yeah. So you could use your own AI to work through those those steps. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. You could So literally you could pay this and you connect the MCP and you tell your AI to use their components and you can actually So it's just their components. Yeah. Visibly. You can like not visible, you can like um here like go through the components and sure visually filter through them based on what what you want and tell your AI to use that or you tell the AI just to use whatever. Mhm. Um that that's what you get. So you get like proper components.

Yeah. And they are like React and Figma and whatever. Sure. So, so you don't get that walk through that you got of sitemap wireframes, you know, you just literally just get access to their components. Yeah, that's that's where it gets a little bit tricky. I think you still get some level of that. So, we have publish, but we also have export. So, you can still get Let me Well, publish is the new feature, right? Export was always there, right? you start paying for reloom you get export so with export you get this I couldn't show the the list of projects I'm on uh I have on on export but this is ru export one of the projects so you can get this type of this is where it's like reloom v1 and reloom v2 publish is reloom v2 so you see sitemap exist in both and why was one of them cost a different plan and this one cost a different plan.

It's ideally like actually these are like two different products in a way. Yeah. Yeah. Slightly confusing but yeah but I think I I agree. I agree it is confusing but I think they've done a good job separating. I don't know what I could do better. Like if I talk about web flow, web flow's pricing and the confusions there, I can give you a 50 like I can give you 50 ideas how I can do it better with relum. I don't know how I would do it different like they have you could be you could be on the starter plan pay that $14 and just go through that process, but you wouldn't be able to export it.

you would just go you would be just be able to go through that process and then you'd still have to pay for a site plan anyway to actually publish it. Right? That's how I'm understanding it is like you could be on the starter plan which is free or to be able to export it you have to pay for a plan. So with the free hosting well hosting if you as soon as you host a website it will be it will cost you $12. That's like a So maybe you can. No, I don't think you can. So I think with if you don't pay you don't get also the the export features like I think on the free account you get here but you you cannot export them.

Yeah. Yeah. You just sort of build it within Reloom and use it's any wonder what like what's the point in the free plan? Like what do you actually get out of it? I I I can actually I don't know if you want to, but I could go I I I could log in with a free account. Well, surely it would say on that little breakdown. Uh I'm already like almost there. I don't know. Like I I think I have an account with this one. So this is a free account. Mhm. So if you create a project, so I'm in a free account. I have export library. I actually have the library access as well. Oh, it tells me upgrade.

So I can't use all of them. I think I have a limited amount of components that I can bring to Webflow, for example. Um, so do you want me to use the export or the publish? I I want to know what you can use. Yeah, I want to know everything you can use. So with publish, it seems like I can use the the publish one. So there must be free AI usage whereas you can extend it with 14 for $14. So it's creating the brief. Yeah. So that's the free one, but I'm pretty sure there will be a limit on it. Um, and here I can do one project. I can create one project. Yeah.

And could you export that free project? Uh, no, I can't export that. That I'm pretty sure. So this is all AI still. So yeah, I see what you mean about the Von V2 thing. Yeah. So this is the V1 and the the new Room is the Room publish. Yeah. Let's see how more interactive more how that is going. And we have that the site map. We have uh the home. Yeah. All of this on a free account and design so bad. Yeah. And I would put uh it's still working. So it's working. Is there any usage that you can see in settings or any usage anywhere? AI usage. AI usage. Yeah. There we go. as an updated jet.

Yeah. Um Oh, you can see it. You can see it also by project. That That's That's pretty clean. I find Oh, man. The their UX is really good. Well, it bloody well should be. It's kind of It's their thing, isn't it? It's their thing. It's their thing. Like you you can I I noticed like I find stuff. Have you tried Amazon Web Services? Of course. Of course. I mean, yeah. Have you tried to find an invoice? Well, funny enough, like I literally was training my AI to find the invoices on AWS yesterday so it can so it can reconcile payments in my um yeah, accountancy software. I I mean, I know like comments coming. I I can see smell a comment coming like that's way more complex and whatever but like it's still not that's not the point.

Like you can have something really complex but with good UX. Uh it's crazy. Anyway, cool. All right. So, well that's that's all we got time for, right? Yeah. Uh Room.ai Room Publish. Uh go give it a try. I I would say build a prototype for a lead. Maybe you'll land a client and it should take you what 10 minutes to build a prototype for a for a potential client and and send it to them. Nice. Cool. All right, we'll wrap it up there. Thanks for tuning in everyone. All the videos will be released in short next week on the channel on the YouTube channel. So, go give that a subscribe and a like as always.

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